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I call myself an experimental quantum

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biologist and I'm not going to talk

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about consciousness so I'm a transition

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speaker to the topic of the next theme

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as starting tomorrow so this is a a

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preliminary talk thank you oh I get a

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real winner and I'm not gonna actually

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talk today about quantum biology or

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consciousness but I'm going to talk more

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about quantum chemistry when I talk

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about some experiments I did a while

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back quite similar to what Dean Radin

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talked about yesterday but opposite he

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talked about well I'm going to talk

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about the effects of a quantum system on

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a biological system and he talked about

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the effects of biological systems on

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quantum systems so in that sense it's a

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kind of mirror image so I'm gonna start

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with the introduction that was the

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introduction ok now I can go forward

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except slides not going forward do I

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have to will it to go forward do I have

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to will it to go backwards wasn't me so

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in the way of the introduction I if you

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read the abstract you will see some

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introductory comments but in fact the

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real introduction to the talk thank you

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is based on not my idea but a colleague

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of mine dr. o Morra

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who happens to be an MD in New York who

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did these experiments with laser beams

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and he published it in his journal which

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he's the editor when he set up his

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journal so he could publish some of his

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unconventional ideas where he's talking

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about molecular information and having

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biological effects so what this guy does

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is he takes a drug and he puts it you

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know on his hand he puts the laser beam

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oh I have a laser beam over the top of

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the drug and he points it at people

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now who would ever think to do such a

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thing well I thought that was a really

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cool experiment and I wanted to do it in

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a more scientific method so this is my

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experimental setup shifted to the left

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and I did an experiment another

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experiment we have here with nerve cells

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we heard about that earlier in this

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conference but in this case I'm shining

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a laser beam directly on the petri dish

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containing the nerve cells but here is a

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powder form of a drug which is an MAO

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inhibitor and there's no interaction

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between the beam and the chemical powder

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so it's just over the top of like just

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like Oh dr. Maura did and what I'm

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measuring in the nerve cells is the

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enzyme activity of monoamine oxidase so

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here's the actual experimental protocol

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nerve cells you split them in half you

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get six control six experimental three

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treatments one is the control

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unmodulated one is the modulated laser

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and one is the drug by itself you

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harvest the cells you measure the

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monoamine oxidase activity with a

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standard biochemical technique you

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express the enzyme activity as peak a

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moles per minute per milligram I know

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there's at least one other biochemist in

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here would would appreciate that so

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here's the results here's the control

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the laser by itself no statistical

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significant the drug as expected caused

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the large inhibition of the enzyme

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activity but the laser with modulated

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information caused an increase in the

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enzyme activity at the P equals 0.01

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level so here is an anomaly and I the

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reason I never really published this

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date or even thought about it since I

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did this experiment 10 years ago was cuz

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there was really no explanation that I

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could find in the scientific literature

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to explain how this might occur but

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nowadays with a modern quantum chemistry

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and quantum physics I think I have some

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sort of a explanation

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so before I look at the explanation

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let's look at the interpretation of

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what's happening or what I think is what

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happen what's happening there's some

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kind of information from the chemical

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which is transferred to the laser the

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laser then

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carries the information the laser is

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modulated the laser delivers the

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information to the biological system and

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the enzyme decodes or D modulates the

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information and causes a biological

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effect okay well there's a lot of stuff

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going on here and I really only have

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time I'm sure you've heard that before

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to talk about the first step let's so

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let's let's talk about chemical

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information what could possibly be

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coming from a chemical in a solid state

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picked up by the laser well so let's

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first look at the chemical structure

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this is the enzyme inhibitor it's a

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turns out to be a an antidepressant MAO

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inhibitors you've all heard of it at

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Mayo inhibitors and there are three

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particular chemical interactions that

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are going on here that I want to talk

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about first is the hydrogen hydrogen

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coupling then there's the hydrogen

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oxygen coupling and then there's the

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really interesting stuff that's going on

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inside the benzene ring itself I can

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divide chemical information into into

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four different categories charge

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information from the chemical bonds that

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I just described quantum information and

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electronic information and if I have

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time I'll talk about all four of those

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so looking at the distribution of

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charges on the molecule because you know

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some some of these some of the a the

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nitrogen has got a positive charge

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oxygen has a negative charge so you do

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have an electrostatic field that's

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generated so it turns out that in some

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of the more sophisticated molecular

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modeling programs that are out there

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where they look at exactly that the

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distribution of charges and they measure

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what your static potentials and they

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calculate all these parameters about a

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particular molecule of particular

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electric field distribution

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which is of course used to correlate

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with a biological activity and the

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three-dimensional structure and

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structure-activity relationship it turns

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out that drug companies actually use

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this kind of chemical analysis to

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predict what structures would actually

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have what effects but the the results of

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these kind of experiments our analysis

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are shown with this particular molecule

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which is different than the one I use

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but it's got the benzene ring and it's

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got some carbons in a nitrogen so here's

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the the graphical data of the electric

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field emitted by such a molecule here's

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the benzene ring and here's the rest of

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the molecule so you can see that ok we

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have some kind of electrostatic field

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generated by the molecule which might

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couple with the laser ok that's

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reasonable next let's look at the

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chemical bond information well if you

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don't remember from chemistry 101 you

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know electron in formation of a chemical

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bond the electrons are shared by both

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atoms and you can measure the vibration

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of the of the bond the stretching the

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twisting and you get you get what's

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typically called a fingerprint if you

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look in the infrared spectra and this is

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kind of a typical infrared spectra for

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the people over there and you've seen

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infrared spectra before and each peak

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corresponds to a different kind of

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vibration or twisting mode Froelich

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longitudinal vibrations in addition to

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transverse vibrations and more recently

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spectroscopy which measures this kind of

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information and the very very high

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frequency range of the spectra so you

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can get a lot of information about the

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chemical bond from this kind of

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spectroscopy in addition to the

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classical way of analyzing a chemical

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bond there is more recently the field of

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quantum chemistry and the fact that they

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predict that there's sort of information

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obtain I talked these are the three

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kinds of bonds that we're going to talk

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about and in fact the quantum processes

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associated with these bonds are either

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spin coupling spin-spin coupling

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superposition or proton tunneling so we

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can look at that in a little more detail

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but let's first look at quantum

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chemistry something I haven't heard

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talked about at this conference for a

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while I mean ever rather sorry so

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quantum chemistry is like started back

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in in hidden in the late 20s when

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Schrodinger and Dirac of all people said

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hey we've got these quantum field

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theories let's see if we can apply it to

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a chemical let's let's see if we can

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develop a quantum theory of the chemical

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bond and shortly after that that you

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know they were perpetually Pauling Linus

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Pauling proposed that the electrical

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orbitals of a molecule can be considered

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a molecular wave function and then you

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know more recently and then algorithms

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were established for this wave function

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and more recently in modern quantum

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chemistry we have an amazing number of

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theoretical approaches to analyze this

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kind of problem with one that I

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particularly like is there's one called

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the quantum theory of atoms and

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molecules what an original name but QTA

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the scientific literature and then we've

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got the phenomena called Boden's which

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was mathematically described and

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analyzed which considered the quantum

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particles of a chemical bond so indeed

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this is the mathematical modeling

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spectroscopic methods which you probably

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haven't heard of and then there's NMR

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which we've all heard of because NMR

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measures protons spin States so and they

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can measure it in a solid state I'm

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working in a solid state so if we look

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at some the NMR type of data we can see

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that proton proton coupling occurs

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because the nuclear spin is quantized

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it exists in two states all all this all

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the spins going up in one direction all

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the spins going down these two states

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can act as

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as like a quantum bit like a 0 and a 1

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in in the in the quantum information

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theory that we've talked about and these

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protons are spin 1/2 systems and in the

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NMR data and in the mathematical

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analysis of NMR data they talk about

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spin 1/2 systems as being qubits to

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define a quantum system and they talk

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about spin-spin coupling in molecules so

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there is a rather strong scientific

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support for proton proton coupling now

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quantum resonance is in the I was

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talking about the benzene ring very

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interesting molecule because actually if

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Karl talked to us about enantiomers well

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here's two structures which are mirror

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images of each other the carbon bonds

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you see are on opposite sides of a

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mirror these two structures could form

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the two qubits which make up a quantum

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system well I could propose that to you

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but in fact ironically enough in the

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chemistry literature they talked about

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the fact that neither of these two

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real world is a resonance hybrid

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structure which is a superposition

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between both structures and this is what

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what what is actually defined as you

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know resonance interaction between the

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different carbon bonds and and electrons

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are delocalized and all this stuff so

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benzene is a very interesting molecule

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chemical structure to look at within my

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molecule here hydrogen bonds are the

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electrostatic bonds between oxygen and

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hydrogen well-known to stabilize the

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tertiary structure of proteins and DNA

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and if anybody heard my talk several

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years ago about the conformational

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structures of DNA it turns out that the

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hydrogen which you know hydrogen bonds

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hold the DNA together it turns out

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hydrogen bonds are very sensitive to

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external energies including subtle

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energies oh and energies of

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consciousness I am talking about

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consciousness there we go I feel like

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I'm fitting right in

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ok so the hydrogen bond is is has been

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described as as a quantum process where

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delocalization

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of electrons occurs there's cooperative

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effects and this proton funneling all

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described in the conventional scientific

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literature okay so now we've looked at

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charge distribution chemical bonds

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quantum bonds now electronic information

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of course is information about the

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electronic structure and electrons can

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have some very unusual properties

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themselves they can exhibit tunneling

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they can exhibit coherent excitations

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they can be delocalized they can

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correlate so electrons themselves can

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have quantum properties so all of these

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different components of my chemical

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offer information which can be

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transferred to the laser beam so I like

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to propose that even in a hologram even

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in its art that proposed the existence

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of a quantum chemical hologram even in a

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chemical I guess you could say this

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chemical has a consciousness I'm even

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feeling more welcome at the moment by

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the moment so I'm going to propose the

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existence of a of a of a chemical

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hologram which is defined as the

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synergistic interaction between all the

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energetic levels comprising the physical

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substance which I've talked about moat

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all of these haven't talked about the

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subatomic but the conclusion is that

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this quantum chemical hologram which I

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should first mention I mentioned

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biological holograms were first proposed

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by Edgar Mitchell and Carl pre Broome to

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give credit where credit's due

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but chemical Holograms I guess that's me

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here I don't think anybody's talked

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about that but if anybody knows about

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that I'd be happy to hear it so in

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conclusion what we're saying is that

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that chemical hologram carries the

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information and transfers it to the

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laser the laser transfer its to a

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biological system and that the

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biological system then responds and can

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have either the same effect as the

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original chemical or in my case the

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opposite effect

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now as Carl was talking about earlier

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maybe this opposite effect is because

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the enantiomer of the molecule is the

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opposite it's like a left vs. a right

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structure that maybe only you know the

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other half got transferred to the

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hologram that in

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information got transferred to the laser

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transferred to the biological system and

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that cause the opposite biological

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offense effect but the the conclusion is

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that this kind of a mechanism could very

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well occur between two people it could

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occur via some form of a laser or light

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or other kinds of energies between two

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people so that the information whether

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it's bio information or chemical

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information could be transferred between

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two people and allow for the

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communication between two people that's

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it thank you so much thank you so much

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do we have some questions yes Julie

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tired audience everyone's falling asleep

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maybe not I wish all my chemistry

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professors would have been as dynamic as

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you go this is very interesting do you

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think that this may be the mechanism

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behind now I just forgot the word

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homeopathy homeopathy remedies where

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there's no actual chemical in the remedy

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and it often has the opposite effect of

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what yeah that's true

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and what we don't understand is is how

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to transfer the chemical information

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whether it's from into water or into a

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laser beam how to really negotiate and

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control the conditions so that we get

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the opposite effect or not but of course

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the application is that you don't have

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to deliver the drug to the person you

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can deliver the information homeopathy

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is a great example and obviously water

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is very different than a laser but this

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is a parallel to the talker gave two

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years ago about homeopathy and

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information and water I was not here

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okay I'm just reminded of that joke

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about my I want my martini so dry I just

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want is it vermouth I just want the word

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okay here comes a hard question from

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Chalmers himself

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uh no this is not so much a question as

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a suggestion and speculation the this

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opposite effects business seems very

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puzzling on your informational model

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neurons don't declare opposites day as

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far as we know

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however cells do normally exist in an

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electromagnetic environment as well as a

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chemical one and cells also have

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regulatory mechanisms to maintain

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homeostasis for basically all of the

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chemicals that they produce and use it

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seems to me a plausible explanation of

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the opposite effect is that your laser

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is conveying much less information than

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the full structure of the MAO inhibitor

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molecule but what it is passing along

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might be the kind of information that

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natural internal radiation would pass

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along in a living body which would

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signal neurons that hmm there's MAO

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inhibitor in the vicinity we'd better

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stock up that's quite feasible the

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purpose of the experiment was really

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just to see if I could affect

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specifically the the enzyme because

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remember there are thousand enzymes in

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in these nerve cells and the information

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was rather specific for this one

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particular molecule and I measured the

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one particular enzyme and in fact there

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was an effect so the fact that there

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wasn't affect at all to me means like

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yeah there's a perturbation going on and

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we just don't have the exact

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experimental conditions to figure out

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how to do it experimentally let alone

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how it's done in in the body because of

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the endogenous electromagnetic fields

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surrounding a cell but yeah this kind of

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information is probably passed on

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between two neurons and as I said in

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conclusion between two people so good

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point thank you hi this is probably a

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very stupid question but no such thing

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because everybody's so tired they won't

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remember this do

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anyway so I'm go ahead trying to break

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down your possible pathways for the

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information carrying so what what type

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of information is being carried whether

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its quantum electrochemical

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electromagnetic magnetical or what what

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not does it make would it make any sense

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for you to introduce a quantum

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interference let's say measurement /

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entanglement into the quantum

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information of your test chemical

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without actually trying to change the

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electromagnetic or electrochemical

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structure or the your test chemical and

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see whether that actually changes any

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other test results or not

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well in fact I didn't do that but doctor

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or Maura did it in his original

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experiments with his laser beam when he

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was projecting chemical information on

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to a person he discovered that if he put

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an aluminum foil aluminum aluminum foot

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would block the the information transfer

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so he would you know cover up the person

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and if he was treating the stomach he

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put a little hole in the aluminum foil

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in here and the laser would go gonna

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right in there so that at this point

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that's pretty much all we know what

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would interfere I think in fact to the

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previous question interference and

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quantum decoherence is probably going on

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here because the the if this is in fact

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quantum information that's being

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transferred because quite them

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information doesn't stick around very

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long it's not very stable and all kinds

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of things in the environment could

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interfere with it and perhaps even

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reverse the the the polarity of the

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information so that it goes produces an

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opposite biological effect that is yet

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another explanation that the the the

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inhibitory activity is transferred to

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the laser but by the time it ends up in

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the cell it it converts to a stimulatory

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activity so those are two good points to

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consider and thank you for the question

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I was just interject here that I

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remember dr. Morrison having also the

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aluminum foil and that he would charge

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the aluminum foil for healing

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wonderfully might invite him here well

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he die don't worry did all kinds of

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unconventional things and this was just

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one experiment that I did with him and I

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thought okay wow this is worth repeating

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and you know in a scientific way I just

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want to clarify my understanding of what

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you said basically and what I understood

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was a laser beam was passed nearby some

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material and information was somehow

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picked up by the photons in this laser

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beam and transmitted to the biological

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biological system do you have any idea

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how that information was carried by the

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photons and the laser beam was it

520
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polarization that changed exactly what

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changed I think the the laser carries

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the information in an analogous way to

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an electromagnetic field being modulated

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by frequency information what was the

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frequency information well the it that's

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what I its what I'm it's the frequency

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information is actually chemical

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information which I described as

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originating from the electronic and

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chemical bonds and all that stuff that

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was though I didn't have time to really

532
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talk about the the way the way the

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mechanisms that the laser would carry

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the information and I'm not even sure I

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even know but I'd love to hear from some

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of the physicists in the group how a

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laser might which is I guess your

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question how the laser might carry the

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information the information itself I

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think is the chemical information I had

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described how the laser carries it and

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how the biological system decodes it are

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two unknown questions thank you thank